Luis Suárez : el Vampiro

True about the standard but it shouldn't change who has been playing better.

Messi did start the season below average to himself, but he wasn't doing anything wrong other then having bad luck.
he hit the post around 8+ times in a month and a half.. which happens, he has also been played practically as a CM the first couple of months i've never seen him fall so close to the half line even in the pep days

Neymar has had a very good season so far but honestly small pieces of brilliance has come from him, his finishing is hot and cold and honestly most of his goals come from team work not individually, i am pleased with his better one touch passes and his dribbles have been great.

Suarez has been nothing to me, his dribbling is more often worse than good and finishing is below average, the most memorable contribution from him was his game winning assist on his second or third game with us..

anyone else notice how often suarez slips, happened again today when he passed it to messi before the goal

The guy is literally doing everything other than scoring....Slipping,missing sitters to good chances, assisting some fine goals, pretty bad first touches, pressing the opponents, trciky moves (cant remember, probably the 2nd goal vs villareal started with his great turn inside box).

He is playing just fine, very well in fact in many games. Untill his goal, I thought maybe I should start believing in Karma though, seemed cursed in front of goal.

Anyway, he is doing a good job making lateral movements or being a target men which allows the front 3 to function and gives the other two the freedom they need.

If he can become a 1 goal every 2 game striker on top of this work, dont think you can ask for anything else.

He is playing just fine, very well in fact in many games. Untill his goal, I thought maybe I should start believing in Karma though, seemed cursed in front of goal.

Anyway, he is doing a good job making lateral movements or being a target men which allows the front 3 to function and gives the other two the freedom they need.

If he can become a 1 goal every 2 game striker on top of this work, dont think you can ask for anything else. On a footballing aspect I mean.

Other then his finishing and sometimes his first touch he's been exceptional for us all around. He has much more impact in the game then Pedro or Sanchez had for us, tho Sanchez playing in the center and Messi on the wing could've seen something else.

He's very very good. Bit clumsy compared to our other techno midgets but that's okay, he brings another dimension to the team. Created the first 2 goals (was good to hear Camp Nou chanting his name even though Messi scored).

Also the way he tracked back deep into his own half around the 87 minute mark.

Yea one thing I have always loved about him since his Liverpool days is that he gives you 110% hustle the ENTIRE match. Liverpool could be up by like 3 goals against West Brom, in the 90th min, and you could still see Suarez fighting desperately to win a ball back from the other team.

A bicycle kick goal with his left.
He has a touch of unpredictable genius about him,kind of like Ronnie.Not as refined but still.Like that shot from the halfway line he attempted last game.He scored one last season from such a shot.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SuarezGoneWild

alexjanosik wrote:Like that shot from the halfway line he attempted last game.He scored one last season from such a shot.

Warming up to score one against Neuer.

Amazing goal. Early Contender for puskas ffs. The only issue here is those pos voters usually don't remember goals for the early part of the year. Just like balon d'or. Its all bout the last weeks performance for them

What a player
A champion player with a champion mentality.I was mocked for saying that he is a Messi level player and that he is an all time great.
Was never any doubt in my mind that he would come good.He has now proved the difference for us in 2 knockout rounds.

Really fighting tears here.

Can never say anything bad about him...because he is the only player in my lifetime I know that every single game gave 110% regardless of opposition.

What a man, what a player, and what a mentality. Proud that one day I'll be able to tell my kids and grandkids that I watched him live and closeby at Anfield.

Hope he wins the treble this year and fancies a return home in a couple of years

I love him and I'll make love to him no question.

Natalie Portman wrote:Really fighting tears here.

Can never say anything bad about him...because he is the only player in my lifetime I know that every single game gave 110% regardless of opposition.

What a man, what a player, and what a mentality. Proud that one day I'll be able to tell my kids and grandkids that I watched him live and closeby at Anfield.

Hope he wins the treble this year and fancies a return home in a couple of years

I love him and I'll make love to him no question.

Wat?

It is a shame he didnt get the Ballon D'Or last season.
He was the best player in the world.Didnt even place top 5.
I said he is a Messi level player and he is proving it again this season.Deserves the Ballon D'Or or the very least a top 3 finish.

alexjanosik wrote:It is a shame he didnt get the Ballon D'Or last season.
He was the best player in the world.Didnt even place top 5.
I said he is a Messi level player and he is proving it again this season.Deserves the Ballon D'Or or the very least a top 3 finish.

I'm very surprised that you place any merit on that farcical award.

Well,it plays a major role in the legacy of a player.A player like Suarez deserves to win it atleast once.I think he is an all time great.
Last season as the main man of Liverpool,he was magical and playing at Messi level.The goals he scored,the dribbling,the link up, the desire.He was unplayable most of the time like Messi.
I have seen 4 maybe 5 players play at the level Suarez did last season.He was that good.The mark of how great he was can be gauged by the fact that he almost took Liverpool to the title.They would have won had Gerrard not slipped.
Take Suarez out and they have looked nowhere near title contenders.They added a lot of players but all of them cannot add up to Suarez.
Sometimes the value of a player can be measured by looking at the team without him.With Suarez,Liverpool looked brilliant and extraordinary.Without him,they look ordinary.

Coming to us,when he joined,I was confident he would do well.There were naysayers but I was confident.I didnt think he would be as brilliant as at Liverpool.The team wouldnt be built around him since Messi is top dog.He gets far less touches of the ball and is no longer the go to man.He is the third wheel in attack behind Messi and Neymar.
As has been shown time and again,it is almost impossible for elite players to shine under such circumstances.
And yet,Suarez has not only shined but far exceeded expectations.In a completely new role,being asked to play as the target man and reference point in attack,he has been brilliant.He has given us a plan B which we have been craving for all these years.He has made us dangerous against PTB teams.He was the single biggest reason we won so comfortably in the triple header against Atletico.Our best player in the big games this season.Also scored some outstanding goals in his short stay.I think all of our best 5 goals this season have been scored by him.
He showed last season that he can perform at an elite level as the main man of a team.This season,he has proved that he can perform at an elite level as the third wheel and in a completely different role.
Just a champion player with a champion mentality.
He is a level above CR.For me,if Messi is 1A,then Suarez is 1B.

alex, quality aside, do you really think it makes sense to give the most prestigious yearly individual award in football to a guy who missed a third of the year banned for biting an opponent?

Because I really don't.

The award is for quality.Dont think his character or actions have to play a part in it.
Also,I dont find biting any more objectionable than an intentional bad foul or tackle.Many might not agree with that viewpoint but that is the way I see it.So if you dont agree,lets just agree to disagree.

As for the difference between biting and bad tackling, I agree and argued as much back then as you could see in the respective threads, even though people then had good arguments why biting was particularly bad, which I can't dismiss. ( http://www.goallegacy.net/t35975p108-suarez-bites-no-more-we-can-but-hope#1236439 and following)

I also thought the ban was completely excessive, I reconsidered however after Suarez never owned up, instead tried to play the consipracy victim card. After that I think he deserved every day.

I don't see how ON FIELD actions (not off field stuff) shouldn't play a part in the award tbh. A 4 months ban is part of his professional footballing performance in the respective year, simples.

I'm not saying he's a terrible human being or anything, I just don't see how this kind of behaviour can be considered top award worthy. I'm honestly stunned how people could even bring up the notion. The award is given for a particular year, mind you.

As for the quality of his performances, if he continues like that he should and will no doubt deservedly be a favourite for such an award in the coming years.

Meh. He might have missed some games, "4 months" makes it sound worse than it was though as he only missed 8 league games, 3 CL group stage games against the likes of Apoel and Ajax and a couple of meaningless intl. friendlies. Players miss that many games due to injury all the time if not more. Doesn't warrant not to include him even in the top 20 list. Not that he would care. What he did for Liverpool will surely be remembered more than finishing 3th or 4th or 5th or 6th in the Ballon d'Or standings.

Fußball wrote:What he did for Liverpool will surely be remembered more than finishing 3th or 4th or 5th or 6th in the Ballon d'Or standings.

can't let you get away with this sneaky jinx

Luisito will get his appreciation after he's torn apart Bayern, made Boateng look like the scrub everyone knows he is, put Serie zzZzzZz's only hope in their place and helped ensure Lurcho's debut season ranks equal to Pep's

Hapless_Hans wrote:

Fußball wrote:What he did for Liverpool will surely be remembered more than finishing 3th or 4th or 5th or 6th in the Ballon d'Or standings.

can't let you get away with this sneaky jinx

lmaooooooooooo I didn't even realize that. Which just further proves the point tbh.

alexjanosik wrote:Well,it plays a major role in the legacy of a player.A player like Suarez deserves to win it atleast once.I think he is an all time great.
Last season as the main man of Liverpool,he was magical and playing at Messi level.The goals he scored,the dribbling,the link up, the desire.He was unplayable most of the time like Messi.
I have seen 4 maybe 5 players play at the level Suarez did last season.He was that good.The mark of how great he was can be gauged by the fact that he almost took Liverpool to the title.They would have won had Gerrard not slipped.
Take Suarez out and they have looked nowhere near title contenders.They added a lot of players but all of them cannot add up to Suarez.
Sometimes the value of a player can be measured by looking at the team without him.With Suarez,Liverpool looked brilliant and extraordinary.Without him,they look ordinary.

Coming to us,when he joined,I was confident he would do well.There were naysayers but I was confident.I didnt think he would be as brilliant as at Liverpool.The team wouldnt be built around him since Messi is top dog.He gets far less touches of the ball and is no longer the go to man.He is the third wheel in attack behind Messi and Neymar.
As has been shown time and again,it is almost impossible for elite players to shine under such circumstances.
And yet,Suarez has not only shined but far exceeded expectations.In a completely new role,being asked to play as the target man and reference point in attack,he has been brilliant.He has given us a plan B which we have been craving for all these years.He has made us dangerous against PTB teams.He was the single biggest reason we won so comfortably in the triple header against Atletico.Our best player in the big games this season.Also scored some outstanding goals in his short stay.I think all of our best 5 goals this season have been scored by him.
He showed last season that he can perform at an elite level as the main man of a team.This season,he has proved that he can perform at an elite level as the third wheel and in a completely different role.
Just a champion player with a champion mentality.
He is a level above CR.For me,if Messi is 1A,then Suarez is 1B.

Interesting. So what do you reckon Xavi's legacy will be? Legacy is all good and well but the average football fan and most footballers are clueless about the sport. The Ballon D'Farce has been a joke for a long time. It is now a popularity contest that also acts as some pseudo golden boot award.

I have never been a fan of inidivual awards as I feel it detracts from the team. Suarez is one of the best players on the planet no doubt. He brings a certain individual solution that most top forwards cannot. Lewa, Benzema, RVP, Costa, post 06 Rooney are all great but Suarez is the only one that is a fantasisti and can solve complcated defences. Aguero can be thrown in there I feel. I disagree with you on the 1b comparison though. Messi is by far the most lethal attacking player in the final third in terms of attacking. It is an unfair comparison.