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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:34 pm

Messi is abnormal lol, what he does don't even make sense. He really shouldn't be compared to anyone lol, dude is a freak.

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Post by jibers on Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:35 pm

Fußball wrote:I don't disagree with Nick's actual point but how is Hazard a midfielder "unlike Messi"? Messi averages 62 passes per game, 10th most in La Liga but 4 of those ahead of him are defenders. Only 7 passes less per game than Kroos who is Madrid's deepest midfielder. Laughing


Messi is the best attacking player in at least the last 4 decades ffs. That is where people fail, Hazard will never reach that level ffs.

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Post by Don't call me James on Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:56 pm

Messi is the best attacking player of all time, not just the last 4 decades bruva.

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Post by jibers on Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:02 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:Messi is the best attacking player of all time, not just the last 4 decades bruva.


Meh, I don't believe in all time debates, too may variables. I said 4 decades because that was when Cruyff was at his peak. Cruyff, Gaarincha, Pele, Messi. Di Stefano, Puskas, Meazza and Eric Cantona are all on the same plane and were all the best of their respective generations.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:05 pm

@jibers wrote:
Meh, I don't believe in all time debates, too may variables.


Very recommendable attitude.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:08 pm

Love how he sneaked in Cantona Laughing
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:08 pm

did you just sneaky put Cantona in a Pele, maradona, messi, di stefano argument? Laughing

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Post by Don't call me James on Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:12 pm

@jibers wrote:
@Don't call me James wrote:Messi is the best attacking player of all time, not just the last 4 decades bruva.


Meh, I don't believe in all time debates, too may variables. I said 4 decades because that was when Cruyff was at his peak. Cruyff, Gaarincha, Pele, Messi. Di Stefano, Puskas, Meazza and Eric Cantona are all on the same plane and were all the best of their respective generations.


Every decade there are too many variables. If you are gonna compare him to players in the last 4 decades, might as well go the whole 9 yards.

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Post by jibers on Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:37 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Love how he sneaked in Cantona Laughing

@Mr Nick09 wrote:did you just sneaky put Cantona in a Pele, maradona, messi, di stefano argument? Laughing

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@jibers wrote:
@Don't call me James wrote:Messi is the best attacking player of all time, not just the last 4 decades bruva.



Meh, I don't believe in all time debates, too may variables. I said 4 decades because that was when Cruyff was at his peak. Cruyff, Gaarincha, Pele, Messi. Di Stefano, Puskas, Meazza and Eric Cantona are all on the same plane and were all the best of their respective generations.


Every decade there are too many variables. If you are gonna compare him to players in the last 4 decades, might as well go the whole 9 yards.

Yes but within the decades the conditions, the training methods, the tactical systems used, the officiating, the rules, the ball physics etc are more comparable than across several decades. Intelligence and making use of space is consistent. Messi is the best I have seen in my lifetime that's for sure.
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Post by Curtinho on Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:25 pm

I agree with the not bothering to compare across different generations bit. Each generation has its own collection of the 'best' players and that should be where it's left. Way too many variables to make direct or even estimated comparisons.

But yeah, I also agree that Hazard is not even remotely comparable to Messi and it isn't fair to really compare anyone to Messi. What he has done, and what he's doing, is absolutely freakish.

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Post by RealGunner on Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:42 pm

I disagree about Hazard being a midfielder than a forward. I think he is a hybrid of the two. Kinda like Ribery.

But Hazard's problem is that he is playing in the wrong team. Mourinho will never let him be the player he is destined to be. He can't express himself when he is in his own half defending most of the time or watching Costa thug it out trying to give him a big man flick on to run into.

He needs Pep, Arsene, Rodgers or Messi to get onto the next level. Atm he is probably top 15 but has potential to be in top 5.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:01 pm

Yeah, he is Ribery 2.0 but i think you still wouldn't expect him to score 40 goals a season. he is just not that kind of player.

And that also has a lot to do with the way he plays. He is too much of an "on the ball" player. i have been saying that for a while, his off the ball game lacks. He dribbles too much o create his shots, that's a weakness imo.

And despite all the skills he has with his dribbling, he lacks that extra bit of speed ala Messi or Kun to kill defenses.

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Post by Valkyrja on Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:32 pm

@jibers wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Love how he sneaked in Cantona Laughing

@Mr Nick09 wrote:did you just sneaky put Cantona in a Pele, maradona, messi, di stefano argument? Laughing

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Meh, I don't believe in all time debates, too may variables. I said 4 decades because that was when Cruyff was at his peak. Cruyff, Gaarincha, Pele, Messi. Di Stefano, Puskas, Meazza and Eric Cantona are all on the same plane and were all the best of their respective generations.


Every decade there are too many variables. If you are gonna compare him to players in the last 4 decades, might as well go the whole 9 yards.

Yes but within the decades the conditions, the training methods, the tactical systems used, the officiating, the rules, the ball physics etc are more comparable than across several decades. Intelligence and making use of space is consistent. Messi is the best I have seen in my lifetime that's for sure.


I might be biased but I think R9 at his peak was a bit better than Messi.

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Post by salmano9 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:45 am

@RealGunner wrote:I disagree about Hazard being a midfielder than a forward. I think he is a hybrid of the two. Kinda like Ribery.

But Hazard's problem is that he is playing in the wrong team. Mourinho will never let him be the player he is destined to be. He can't express himself when he is in his own half defending most of the time or watching Costa thug it out trying to give him a big man flick on to run into.

He needs Pep, Arsene, Rodgers or Messi to get onto the next level. Atm he is probably top 15 but has potential to be in top 5.

Hazard is neither, he is a winger, just like CR7, but different style of play. He relies more on dribling rather than speed and power IMO, as you said like Ribery.

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Post by Unique on Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:12 pm

@RealGunner wrote:I disagree about Hazard being a midfielder than a forward. I think he is a hybrid of the two. Kinda like Ribery.

But Hazard's problem is that he is playing in the wrong team. Mourinho will never let him be the player he is destined to be. He can't express himself when he is in his own half defending most of the time or watching Costa thug it out trying to give him a big man flick on to run into.

He needs Pep, Arsene, Rodgers or Messi to get onto the next level. Atm he is probably top 15 but has potential to be in top 5.

if hazard played for Rodgers you would see the best of him eco smile

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Post by Gil on Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:39 pm

Never seen a team top of the table as reliant one just one player as we've been in 2015. It's beyond pathetic.
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Post by Valkyrja on Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:02 am

He has Madrid DNA all over him. Top 5 player at the moment, along with Robben and Neymar.

If only Jose didn't sell KDB

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Post by Unique on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:32 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:He has Madrid DNA all over him. Top 5 player at the moment, along with Robben and Neymar.

If only Jose didn't sell KDB

Madrid would buy a dog turd if it was shown on MOTD.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:39 pm

MR BOND wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:He has Madrid DNA all over him. Top 5 player at the moment, along with Robben and Neymar.

If only Jose didn't sell KDB

Madrid would buy a dog turd if it was shown on MOTD.


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Post by futbol on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:43 pm

MR BOND wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:He has Madrid DNA all over him. Top 5 player at the moment, along with Robben and Neymar.

If only Jose didn't sell KDB

Madrid would buy a dog turd if it was shown on MOTD.


That's harsh on dog turd. Unlike Bale dog turd doesn't make € 300 k a week for stinking up the place.

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Post by Unique on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:45 pm

Fußball wrote:
MR BOND wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:He has Madrid DNA all over him. Top 5 player at the moment, along with Robben and Neymar.

If only Jose didn't sell KDB

Madrid would buy a dog turd if it was shown on MOTD.


That's harsh on dog turd. Unlike Bale dog turd doesn't make € 300 k a week for stinking up the place.
Laughing

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:46 pm

Fußball wrote:
MR BOND wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:He has Madrid DNA all over him. Top 5 player at the moment, along with Robben and Neymar.

If only Jose didn't sell KDB

Madrid would buy a dog turd if it was shown on MOTD.


That's harsh on dog turd. Unlike Bale dog turd doesn't make € 300 k a week for stinking up the place.


Proof pls.
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Post by futbol on Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:11 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Fußball wrote:
MR BOND wrote:

Madrid would buy a dog turd if it was shown on MOTD.


That's harsh on dog turd. Unlike Bale dog turd doesn't make € 300 k a week for stinking up the place.


Proof pls.


http://www.ehow.com/about_6713410_politician_s-annual-income_.html

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:52 pm

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Post by M99 on Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:38 pm

Fusball calling out politicians ffs

inb4 GL causes an international incident

inb4 "Hazard admits he's the best player in the league" is identified 50 years later in history books as the cause of World War 3.

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