Re: The Official Balon d'Or 2014 Thread

by Arquitecto Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:19 pm

Harmonica wrote:
M99 wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
My agenda is the truth and rational thinking, that's why I'm always right, because I defend those.

So you do believe that Diego and Kiessling were the 5th and 6th best players in the world last year?
According overall statistics yes.

LMAO

by Harmonica Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:20 pm

chad4401 wrote:i know your not serious come on man, im starting to get worried

Who'm I or you to argue against hundreds of different statistics, recorder for every player, every second? Watching couple games a week, and the casual fan is highly affected by the bias and media hype, not by the actual reality.

by Hapless_Hans Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:20 pm

Harmonica wrote:
M99 wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
My agenda is the truth and rational thinking, that's why I'm always right, because I defend those.

So you do believe that Diego and Kiessling were the 5th and 6th best players in the world last year?
According overall statistics yes.

common sense and rational thinking says that reaching this conclusion alone disqualifies that particular statistics aggregator from being taken serious tbh

by Hapless_Hans Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:23 pm

I might add that basic factchecking scrutiny disqualifies whoscored as well, as the recent Messi and Alba turnover incidents demonstrate Laughing

by Harmonica Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:30 pm

Harmonica wrote:Added Müller

2014 (27.10) in official games

Messi 43 (6pen) goals, 25 assists = directly part of 68 goals
Cronaldo 49 (10pen) goals, 12 assists = directly part of 61 goals

Benzema 28 (1pen) goals, 19 assists = directly part of 47 goals
Bale 21 (0pen) goals, 19 assists = directly part of 40 goals
Zlatan 27 (4pen) goals, 11 assists = directly part of 38 goals
Müller 24 (6pen) goals, 14 assists = directly part of 38 goals
Neymar 28 (0pen) goals, 7 assists = directly part of 35 goals
Suarez 16 (0pen) goals, 16 assists = directly part of 32 goals
Robben 17 (2pen) goals, 14 assists = directly part of 31 goals
Costa 24 (2pen) goals, 3 assists = directly part of 27 goals

Most surprising in this have to be Benzema's output, and Neymar's lack of assists.

by Curtinho Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:58 pm

You can keep posting these stats but they don't lend any credence to your cause. Messi will not win the Ballon D'or unless he has a ridiculously successful November/December or Ronaldo falls off the face of the earth.

I would take Robben before Messi even.

by Harmonica Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:05 am

El Cujo wrote:You can keep posting these stats but they don't lend any credence to your cause. Messi will not win the Ballon D'or unless he has a ridiculously successful November/December or Ronaldo falls off the face of the earth.

I would take Robben before Messi even.

You can keep harping about them, but that doesn't make them any less rational and truthful arguments for Ballon d'Or.

by Bankz Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:28 am

To argue against cr7 at this point is just ignorant at best, much more removing him from top 3..making your customized list questionable. Why don't u bring up all games that where played too in relation to goals scored? Or what kind of list ignores games played? So if one has 68 goals+assists in 200 games, does it make him better than one with 60 goals + assists in 60 games by your logic? While being the overall better player than cr7, messi isn't the best player in the world today.if it happened for messi in 2010, it should definitely happen for cr7 in 2014..messi gets a top 3 at best, end of story.

by LeSwagg James Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:49 am

Harmonica will be on suicide watch once Cristiano wins Laughing

by fatman123 Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:54 am

Harmonica wrote:
M99 wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
My agenda is the truth and rational thinking, that's why I'm always right, because I defend those.

So you do believe that Diego and Kiessling were the 5th and 6th best players in the world last year?
According overall statistics yes.

I'm curious to know, what would be the world XI right now according to your stats?

by terrance511 Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:41 am

i just love this forum more. :wub:

by Bankz Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:47 am

The 23 man shortlist revealed. Contains the usual suspects.

by CarloGOAL Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:03 am

Here is the list

Gareth Bale (Galles), Karim Benzema (Francia), Diego Costa (Spagna), Thibaut Courtois (Belgio), Cristiano Ronaldo (Portogallo), Angel Di Maria (Argentina), Mario Goetze (Germania), Eden Hazard (Belgio), Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Svezia), Andres Iniesta (Spagna), Toni Kroos (Germania), Philipp Lahm (Germania), Javier Mascherano (Argentina), Lionel Messi (Argentina), Thomas Mueller (Germania), Manuel Neuer (Germania), Neymar (Brasile), Paul Pogba (Francia), Sergio Ramos (Spagna), Arjen Robben (Olanda), James Rodriguez (Colombia), Bastian Schweinsteiger (Germania), Yaya Toure (Costa d’Avorio).

by CarloGOAL Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:04 am

Serie A, only Pogba.

by Onyx Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:30 am

Iniesta, Pogba, Bale, Mascherano and Gotze over Modric. Laughing

by Onyx Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am

Who on earth comes up with these lists ffs. Should be fired for not watching football and for coming up with silly requirements.

by Onyx Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:38 am

Wait, just noticed Suarez isn't on the list. rofl

Yeh, there's no point taking this list seriously.

by CarloGOAL Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:39 am

Yohan modric, Who do you think is missing?

by Hapless_Hans Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:40 am

Yohan Modric wrote:Wait, just noticed Suarez isn't on the list.

Yeh, there's no point taking this list seriously.

Now that one I can understand. You really think Suarez would possibly get the BALLON D'OR after biting a guy and getting a four month ban? Laughing

by Kick Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:12 am

The list is only a farce if Costa, Hazard or Courtois doesn't win it :coffee:

by terrance511 Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:23 am

iniesta

by sportsczy Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:35 am

It's actually a good list for once... can't really disagree with any of the guys there. You're always going to feel like a few got snubbed. But then again, you'd need to snub some on the list to get the snubbed ones on Laughing