[BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate

Jon will be back for sure, him, Tyrion and Daenerys are pretty much guaranteed to survive until the last season or so.

I wish Jon had really broken his vows for once before doing the "I was dead hence released from my vows" crap. Him doing good all the time hurts the character just as much as Ramsay being untouchable hurts the character.

I've said what i think , it won't matter if he's released from his vows , in whichever way you decide to look at it ,  i think there's a pretty big possibility there won't be a NW by the time Jon returns .

Look at it this way. If he returns to life and the NW is still there.. they would be killing him again anyway

It makes great sense for GRRM to finish off the NW after Jon , for many many reasons actually. For once , Jon was legit their last hope , they simply commited suicide the moment they killed him. There's also the wildlings who are going to absolutely rekt them and who knows how close the Others are . They are at their absolute lowest man power , i don't exactly recall the number right now but i think it was near 150 at Castle Black ?? (probably less than that) Wildlings are who knows how many times more that number , lol  . Also , their food supplies are precious as they are , iirc , they are going to have major issues very very soon with their food... All i can see is doom , being a step away .

I also think Ned's words about 'a wall is as strong as the men that guard it' , are heavily foreshadowing what's coming ; no NW to actually stand watch on the wall , the magics/spells that protect them from the others will be broken . They will simply be able to pass the wall if there's no NW around to guard it .

Question is , where he would be going once he returned ?? Winterfell

To warn them of what's coming and thinking he still has to save Arya from the Boltons

I don't know if he would actually manage to end up at Winterfell , but i think that would be his absolute priority the moment he comes back . Even if there's a NW still and he somehow manages not to be killed when he returns , lol , he would be a prisoner or something?? Seriously , i don't think the NW is a possibility any longer. In order for the story to go on , the NW must be destroyed , imho .

Guys if you did not, you have to read this theory. My favorite theory by far, 100% convinced it will be true.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/

Had no idea what that was, but 10/10

Been laughing 5 minutes straight

I was reading it with wide eyes, thinking if M99 believes it, then it just might be true

"Valyrian tinfoil"
"Aimed for the moon, landed in the asylum."
"Tyrion = Rhaego.....so far, zero tinfoil"
"Let's not get bogged down by technicalities yet."

Not even prime Gil could make up something like this

10/10

i thought people had read that already ?

and yes , it's hilarious lmao

Speaking of Daavos in the other thread

Will the show make his mission to go after Rickon as well? I don't know how they will make the connection since he is at castle black but I think they will change his arc too.

Or maybe when Jon comes back, he asks him to find Rickon? Not sure why Daavos would comply but that's one way of setting things right.

Honestly , no clue whatsoever . Can't even begin to guess atm .

Can't see how Davos' plot can be tied to Rickon, unless like RG said in the other thread, he goes south, meets Sansa and Reek they discuss what happened, yada yada yada, Reek says Rickon is still alive and Ser Davos is tasked to find him?

Manderly will be in Season 6, no?

I think they'll have him intercept Reek and Sansa - thus informing him of Rickon and Bran's survival as I don't believe that mute servant was in the show - and then Davos heading south in the hope that Stannis has survived. Opposed to Bolton, he will send news of Davos' death but really send him to find Rickon, making use of his skill as a sailor.

The motivations are far less obvious in this scenario however. Without Stannis in the background as a powerful force capable of defeating the Boltons and establishing Rickon in Winterfell, why go to any of this trouble? Indeed, with Sansa in his possession it's not even vitally urgent that a rescue mission be launched for the boys, beyond his strong loyalty to the Starks. Granted they have the better claim but it's a truly watered down version of the Great Northern Conspiracy.

Can we hope for Frey Pies if Manderly is in season 6?

But yea I agree with that.

Despite little finger wanting to take the Iron throne for himself, I think he will be given the Stannis role in the books as the savior of the north. He can establish Rickon as the rightful Lord of winterfell.


They won't do the great northern conspiracy unless they rush it in one season. There has been no development on that at all and neither there are any characters from it in the show, yet.

M99 wrote:Guys if you did not, you have to read this theory. My favorite theory by far, 100% convinced it will be true.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/

You all laughed at the theory.

GRRM told a story about how he used to ask Professors in Northwestern University whether he could write a short story instead of a term paper (he was actually writing stories on the side and trying to sell them in magazines, sci-fi and non-sci-fi). One Professor for the Scandinavian course he was taking agreed and he came up with a short historical fiction story on which he got an “A.” 20 years later, he rewrote that story and included a time-traveling dwarf and sold it to “Omni” for thousands of dollars.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/3byzp6/spoilers_all_everything_i_learned_from_george_r_r/

Ah I just thought up a new tinfoil theory.

He is a man of the Night's Watch, she thought, as he sang about some stupid lady throwing herself off some stupid tower because her stupid prince was dead.

This is from Arya's chapter in AFFC where she kills Daeron for deserting. We know Ashara threw herself from the tower. Her stupid prince was dead...sounds like Rhaegar. Oh wow, Dante is right is what I initially thought. But then I remembered Dany not being Aerys and Rhaella's is almost logistically impossible. But then I remembered Aegon. Then I remembered Septa Lemore. You know where I am going with this. Aegon is the bastard son of Rhaegar and Ashara Dayne. Ashara is raising her son under the guise of his septa and Varys lied to Jon Con about him because...

Oh God I really need a new book.

We all need it for our own sanity...

Really hope TWoW crashes some theories which people take seriously like the High Septon = Howland Reed

Nah, that theory is down the gutter now.

Howland Reed is most likely with Rickon

What most interests me is the fate of Aegon tbh. I actually don't want him to die doesn't matter if he is legit or not.

We can very well get a new all out war with:
North behind Sansa/Stannis,
Aegon leading from Dorne
Highgarden splitting from lannisters after Kevan's death and Cersei regaining control
Cersei's counter attack
Daenerys leading the charge at some point in the next 40 years.
White walkers from the north being Lead by Jon (still hoping for this)
Faceless Men going after Daenerys

RealGunner wrote:Nah, that theory is down the gutter now.

Howland Reed is most likely with Rickon

What makes you think he is on Skaagos

I personally think he is on his keep in Greywater Watch with Maege Mormont and Glabart Glover. It's possible that Robb's will naming Jon his heir is there too. Either that or he is the Hooded Man in Winterfell.

Yea that makes more sense tbh. Wonder how Lady stoneheart will react when she finds out Robb named Jon his heir Wish she had emotions ffs.

I was just thinking that we haven't heard from Reed in any of the books so he has to be somewhere remote or some place GRRM will introduce later on as he should with Rickon's place.

He seems too old to be the hooded man though. It's definitely someone who is familiar with Winterfell/North. Benjen IMO or Blackfish.

He is not that old actually. He is younger than Ned and Ned Stark was 35 when AGOT starts.

I've been doing a bit of reading on the asoiaf wiki mainly about Robert's rebellion. What I don't get is why there were 3 kingsguard at the Tower of Joy "protecting" Lyanna Stark. You're fighting a war against the rebellion, don't you think having three of the best swordsmen in all of Westeros would have been useful at your most important battle (battle of the trident)? Or at least back at Kings Landing protecting the king? I kind of feel the Kingsguard was kind of wasted during the Rebellion and only fought at the very end. Imagine if it was Ser Arthur Dayne protecting Elia Martell when Gregor Clegane attacked.

Do you think the outcome of the Rebellion would have been different had the Kingsguard been used in a more important manner?

It could have made a difference no doubt, Rhaegar was not a war leader and kinda underestimated Robert because of his smaller army, maybe with the Lord Commander there the loyalists might have. Butterfly effects and all that.

There is an explanation for why the Kingsguard are at the Tower of Joy instead of the battlefield if you are familiar with the R+L=J theory.

I really dislike Robert for what he did to Rhaegar tbh

I doubt Rhaegar even wanted to fight.

I think we are supposed to like Rhaegar but I just can't. Man caused a savage war because of a damn prophecy.

Robert is a douchebag no doubt but he comes off in a good light compared to Rhaegar.

The details are murky. Rhaegar supposedly kidnapped Lyanna but I think she ran off quite willingly with him. War was caused because Aerys killed Brandon and Rickard and then demanded the heads of Robert and Ned from Jon Arryn. And I don't see what other choice Robert had besides killing Rhaegar. It was a one on one fight and Rhaegar was one of the best warriors of the Seven Kingdoms. He managed to heavily wound Robert before dying. That's why Ned had to march alone to King's Landing with the army.

Even if R+L=J is true, and J is the "prince that was promised", I still feel it was stupid to have 3 kingsguard, especially the best swordsman in all of Westeros, in basically the middle of nowhere instead of either at Kings Landing or Battle of the Trident. Was Rhaegar not concerned with protecting you know, his other children? What about the whole "three headed dragon" thing? Kind of useless to protect "one head" while leaving the other "two heads" to die.

Rhaegar trusted Jaime with his other children's lives. Jaime literally has nightmares about it in the books.

Prince Rhaegar burned with a cold light, now white, now red, now dark. "I left my wife and children in your hands."

"I never thought he'd hurt them." Jaime's sword was burning less brightly now. "I was with the king . . . "