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Post by Nishankly on Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:56 am

Too early imo

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Post by Kaladin on Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:10 am

Alright, that tells me everything

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Post by RealGunner on Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:58 am

As much as i'd like to laugh at him, he does deserve few months to adjust.

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Post by Firenze on Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:13 pm

the thing is he never looked like a world class defender, ever. not once in his career, it's why people were laughing at the fee involved from the start, he isn't terrible or anything but he's in the same tier as like 20 other CB's in the league

when you cost like 150m (in total across a contract + GL tax) you need to deliver week in week out or face backlash

look at the flack City caught after Stones' first season and he cost them considerably less
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Post by RealGunner on Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:23 pm

Fee was always absurd. Defenders like Koscielny or Bailey are worth 75m. VVD is a 20m worth defender at best IMO
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Post by Winter is Coming on Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:30 pm

Fees don't always reflect the quality of the players tho. Southampton set the fee and they knew with Pool and City revolving around they could make that money and both being desperate the fix their back line would be willing to spend that money. Transfer themselves are gambles at the end of the day rather it's a future ballon dor talent, proven world class player and so forth.

Walker was expensive, yet now he looks cheap now at how well he's done at City. Jesus, Martial and Sane also were expensive for players their age and one not even being proven in Europe yet look like they'll be bargains in today market.

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Post by Unique on Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:50 pm

Nobody should look at the players when judging Liverpool’s defence.

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Post by CBarca on Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:49 pm

There's good and bad so far. Deserves a couple months agreed.

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Post by Unique on Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:14 pm

I told you don’t waste your time judging the Liverpool defenders because as long as that fool is in charge Liverpool will give away goals like candy no matter who they have playing at the back.

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Post by Unique on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:48 pm

the guy is looking good and settling in well.

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Post by Firenze on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:05 pm

hasn't had a standout performance yet, no idea what you've been watching


looks every bit the 30m player I said he was. Back to back losses against Swansea and West Brom with him in defense a couple weeks ago mate. Loserpool fans sure have short memories. 80m rofl
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Post by Nishankly on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:06 pm

He's unfortunately better on the ball than all our midfielders, He'll be a Madrid before we know it sadly.
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Post by Unique on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:06 pm

@Firenze wrote:hasn't had a standout performance yet, no idea what you've been watching


looks every bit the 30m player I said he was. Back to back losses against Swansea and West Brom with him in defense a couple weeks ago mate. Loserpool fans sure have short memories. 80m rofl
he is looking better than £120mil 30yo sanchez rofl

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Post by CBarca on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:12 pm

Virgil Van Dijk is a very good def---


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Post by Luca on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:17 pm

@Unique wrote:
@Firenze wrote:hasn't had a standout performance yet, no idea what you've been watching


looks every bit the 30m player I said he was. Back to back losses against Swansea and West Brom with him in defense a couple weeks ago mate. Loserpool fans sure have short memories. 80m rofl
he is looking better than £120mil 30yo sanchez rofl


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Post by Doc on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:17 pm

Ball watching, that is standard ball watching from all the Liverpool defenders. Though Van D-Bag actually saw Mata and told himself, nah, would let the other lads pick him up while I stand in no man's land.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk watch: A new Hope?

Post by Nishankly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:22 pm

So glad we signed him, Hope to build the defense around him. So many scrubs still need to go.
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Post by Firenze on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:23 pm

cannot believe Mata took on a bicycle kick in that situation ffs. But yeah, VVD is a beast in the air, but that's where it ends for me. Said it all along but he's a rich mans Ashley Williams and in the same tier of CB as Smalling and Lejeune. Not bad, not elite.
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Post by BarcaLearning on Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:05 pm

Jesus, what an expensive waste for this guy, his position for the goals, doesnt help when all Liverpool defenders were bad though. Not too sure how much of it is Klopps fault, his teams as usual defend like that Razz
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Post by Nishankly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:36 pm

@BarcaLearning wrote:Jesus, what an expensive waste for this guy, his position for the goals, doesnt help when all Liverpool defenders were bad though. Not too sure how much of it is Klopps fault, his teams as usual defend like that Razz


Na, No way he was reaching Mata, It Lovren who lost his man.

CB is blind, I can't even believe he posted in this thread with that video.

Even if he wants to blame VVD for that, He should have started with Lovren and after that the second closest player to Mata who was Can. There was one small dude (Mata) in the box who started his run from outside losing Can and getting behind Lovren even though Lovren had noticed his run already. Two players who need to get the *bleep* out of Liverpool.
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Post by Nishankly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:40 pm

Not to mention Lovren is the only guy playing Mata onside.



Notice how the picture is before the ball was played.

If you were'nt blind you would see that before looking at Van Dijk. Lovren and Can competely destroy the line Liverpool defense was holding, Don't even get me started on Lovren's position.
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Post by CBarca on Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:51 pm

I mean I'm not going to argue that Lovren is partially at fault because he certainly is, but you can see Van Dijk notice Mata's position, make some sort of half hearted appeal to Can or Lovren to mark him (which they either don't hear or ignore), then Van Dijk walks away from the area he really ought to be defending (that is his area of the box) to go guard...who exactly? Lukaku who is outside the 18 and has Oxlade on his way to cover him?

Part of being a good centerback is communication and realizing your backline partners' mistakes.

Even if I gave you the luxury that it was Lovren's man and and Lovren was the one who really messed up, what kind of justification do you have for Van Dijk being positioned where he is? He's not covering anyone, he's not really getting that close to Lukaku, he's not really in line with other defenders and he's going farther up than the ball anyway, so you can't say he's playing an offside trap. He's in no mans land.

I'm kind of astounded that you're actually arguing this one instead of just conceding it. There is no justification here lol. A player doesn't get that open inside the box without both centerbacks and probably more players being at fault, and Van Dijk is included.

This is me giving the less harsh and more eloquent response other than the obvious response which is that he *bleep* it up

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Post by Nishankly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:27 pm

Its a team error as stated comprehensible from both my posts but I give Lovren the max fault because he played Mata onside and would have followed his run had he held the line rather allowing Mata space to run into through his absolutely schoolboy and horrendous positioning. My eyes bleed when I look at him holding that line compared to ATA, VVD and Robertson.
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Post by Nishankly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:37 pm

Its not about justifying or arguing, You're missing the major points.



This is the original starting position of the move. VVD is the farthest with semantics, Ofcourse he could have gone and tightened up (Where he is partially at fault) but Can is already in a run and he still doesnt reach Mata. I blame Lovren for losing him and I can't see how you don't see it even after both photographic proof and you can rewatch the videos as well.

Also notice here, Lovren maintains the line perfectly in the first image. He is the one who then breaks it allowing Mata to move into space ie see second image.



It should have been dealt by Lovren, I'd understand if someone would say Lovren should have tightened upto Rashford as well (Which he didn't) which makes it hilarious from start to stop.

I'd to hear what other people think as well though. Its a good discussion.
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Post by Unique on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:49 pm

@Nishankly wrote:Its not about justifying or arguing, You're missing the major points.



This is the original starting position of the move. VVD is the farthest with semantics, Ofcourse he could have gone and tightened up (Where he is partially at fault) but Can is already in a run and he still doesnt reach Mata. I blame Lovren for losing him and I can't see how you don't see it even after both photographic proof and you can rewatch the videos as well.

Also notice here, Lovren maintains the line perfectly in the first image. He is the one who then breaks it allowing Mata to move into space ie see second image.



It should have been dealt by Lovren, I'd understand if someone would say Lovren should have tightened upto Rashford as well (Which he didn't) which makes it hilarious from start to stop.

I'd to hear what other people think as well though. Its a good discussion.
nearly every liverpool player in the top picture is in the wrong position so its a bad team effort to defend it. that comes from the manager by the way and not just the players. ow and nascar is trolling you bro. Very Happy

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Post by CBarca on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:02 pm

To me it's not really worth analyzing past the incredibly obvious, Mata strays into space and Van Dijk is caught in absolute no mans land

Lovren should have stayed with him or should have motioned to Van Dijk to pick him up, sure. Can also probably could have caught up to him OR motioned to Van Dijk to pick him up, sure. I'm not absolving others of any guilt and putting it all on Van Dijk. Like I said, someone being that open in the box is a failure of multiple players. Can doesn't really do anything and Lovren gets caught between two minds because he has to watch the run of the United player closest to Alexis running to the endline.

The fact of the matter is that on the reciprocal, Van Dijk clearly didn't let anyone know he wasn't interested in picking Mata up and decided to stray into an area of the box with absolutely no danger while seeing Mata running into open space behind him where he just was Laughing

That area of the box is absolutely his responsibility and he abdicates it to cover no one in particular. It's schoolboy defending.

As bad as Lovren plays it in the picture, at least he is caught in a bad position having to pay attention to Mata and the cut to the endline. Van Dijk has one responsibility and could have gone with a BREXIT strategy like Ashley Williams or Chiellini and just stayed in his area in the box where there was potential for danger and cleared it since he's like 7 feet tall

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