Independence for Catalunya & Euskadi

Yohan Modric wrote:But Catalonia isn't a country though?

Arquitecto wrote:To be honest Catalan players leaving the Spanish NT will be a loss but nowhere near the loss as people make it out to be.

Espana easily has the best crop of talent in the world coming through especially with the Basque dominant talent that has made a serious resurgence.

If anything it'll give a chance to the better talent instead of blind picking from the overhyped Mesia of Barca.

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Without Barca La Liga would become the SPL. As a Madrid fan I would find it boring to keep winning La Liga without anyone else challenging.

Although I'm pro-Catalonia independence, I hope Barca continues playing in La Liga.

Catracho wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:But Catalonia isn't a country though?

Your trolling is terrible, even by our standards..

Yohan Modric wrote:But Catalonia isn't a country though?

Catracho wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:To be honest Catalan players leaving the Spanish NT will be a loss but nowhere near the loss as people make it out to be.

Espana easily has the best crop of talent in the world coming through especially with the Basque dominant talent that has made a serious resurgence.

If anything it'll give a chance to the better talent instead of blind picking from the overhyped Mesia of Barca.

If Catalunya becomes independent.. so will we!!! Which means we'd also retract our players.. Alonso, Martinez, and Azpilicueta...

On top of them.. we'd also be able to field, Llorente, Griezemann, Muniain, Herrera, Monreal, Inigo Martinez, Benat.. etc.

We beast mode now.

InterMalia wrote:A player who has been capped by a nations senior squad is not allowed to play for another national team. So none of this players would represent their "new" country.

windkick wrote:

Catracho wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:To be honest Catalan players leaving the Spanish NT will be a loss but nowhere near the loss as people make it out to be.

Espana easily has the best crop of talent in the world coming through especially with the Basque dominant talent that has made a serious resurgence.

If anything it'll give a chance to the better talent instead of blind picking from the overhyped Mesia of Barca.

If Catalunya becomes independent.. so will we!!! Which means we'd also retract our players.. Alonso, Martinez, and Azpilicueta...

On top of them.. we'd also be able to field, Llorente, Griezemann, Muniain, Herrera, Monreal, Inigo Martinez, Benat.. etc.

We beast mode now.

What would be the starting line up and bench for a Basque NT? Arteta, Javi and Herrera would be mid?

What if Cataluna and Basque started there own league (and whatever else other communites wanted to join). And they got there own TV, it might actually help smaller clubs get money spread out to them

S32TABLANCA wrote:Considering the financial problems the Spanish autonomous communities get up to, I dont think this would be the best time for them to demand independence. Especially Catalunya, I hardly see what arguments they would put forward for independence when they need to be bailed out by the central Spanish government and may in the future need to be bailed out by the rest of us (Europe).

Nationalism is dead anyway. I cant see why on earth countries would want to break up now of all times. Now is the time to unite further (again, speaking about the EU), not fragment like we are still in 1919. In my opinion.

Kev wrote:If Catalunya becomes independent, then I don't think they should be able to play in La Liga. If you want independence, you can't receive the perks of being non- independent. That would be the ultimate form of exploitation and opportunism.

In regards to wealth distribution, states/ provinces paying more money to the central government and receiving less has occurred around the world in the past, around the world in the present and will continue around the world in the future. There is a reason for this- states that are being financially "punished" receive many non- financially quantifiable advantages, namely better military protection, better energy security and better economic bargaining power.

Catalonia becoming independent would set an extremely poor precedent for the world. Now, every relatively wealthy state would want to gain independence from their country, and an administrative nightmare would ensure. Unless Catalonia is being militariliy oppressed by the government, they should not pursue independence, as that manouvre is simply immature. It is akin to a spoilt child wanting to run away from their reasonable parents.

This post may sound ignorant, biased and racist, but frankly, with all the legimiate problems in the world at hand, such as famine, climate change, recessions etc... this issue is just too petty and does not deserve serious consideration.

gondov wrote:

Kev wrote:If Catalunya becomes independent, then I don't think they should be able to play in La Liga. If you want independence, you can't receive the perks of being non- independent. That would be the ultimate form of exploitation and opportunism.

In regards to wealth distribution, states/ provinces paying more money to the central government and receiving less has occurred around the world in the past, around the world in the present and will continue around the world in the future. There is a reason for this- states that are being financially "punished" receive many non- financially quantifiable advantages, namely better military protection, better energy security and better economic bargaining power.

Catalonia becoming independent would set an extremely poor precedent for the world. Now, every relatively wealthy state would want to gain independence from their country, and an administrative nightmare would ensure. Unless Catalonia is being militariliy oppressed by the government, they should not pursue independence, as that manouvre is simply immature. It is akin to a spoilt child wanting to run away from their reasonable parents.

This post may sound ignorant, biased and racist, but frankly, with all the legimiate problems in the world at hand, such as famine, climate change, recessions etc... this issue is just too petty and does not deserve serious consideration.

^ I'm sure this kind of attitude towards Catalans is probably why they dont feel respected and part of Spain and think they have the right to be able to make their own decisions and determine their own destiny.

Afterall, they have a different culture, language, etc and if they feel they can be self sufficient, what right does Spain have to stop them from doing so.

The fact that Spain will be weaker economically if this happens is not reason enough to bloke this separation.

If Spain wants the Catalans to continue being part of the country then why not give them enough reason do so i.e. economic incentives, respect, etc.

Kev wrote:1) If Catalunya becomes independent, then I don't think they should be able to play in La Liga. If you want independence, you can't receive the perks of being non- independent. That would be the ultimate form of exploitation and opportunism.

2) In regards to wealth distribution, states/ provinces paying more money to the central government and receiving less has occurred around the world in the past, around the world in the present and will continue around the world in the future. There is a reason for this- states that are being financially "punished" receive many non- financially quantifiable advantages, namely better military protection, better energy security and better economic bargaining power.

3) Catalonia becoming independent would set an extremely poor precedent for the world. Now, every relatively wealthy state would want to gain independence from their country, and an administrative nightmare would ensure. Unless Catalonia is being militariliy oppressed by the government, they should not pursue independence, as that manouvre is simply immature. It is akin to a spoilt child wanting to run away from their reasonable parents.

4) This post may sound ignorant, biased and racist, but frankly, with all the legimiate problems in the world at hand, such as famine, climate change, recessions etc... this issue is just too petty and does not deserve serious consideration.

free_cat wrote:

S32TABLANCA wrote:Considering the financial problems the Spanish autonomous communities get up to, I dont think this would be the best time for them to demand independence. Especially Catalunya, I hardly see what arguments they would put forward for independence when they need to be bailed out by the central Spanish government and may in the future need to be bailed out by the rest of us (Europe).

Nationalism is dead anyway. I cant see why on earth countries would want to break up now of all times. Now is the time to unite further (again, speaking about the EU), not fragment like we are still in 1919. In my opinion.

My friend Saeta, you lack a lot of information. Catalonia needs a bailout because we have a huge fiscal deficit with the central government. Catalans pay the most taxes in Spain, and 15.000 milion euros of catalan taxes are then distributed in other communities. A tax deficit of about 10% of our GDP, the biggest in a democratic country in the whole world. That's why we need a bailout and why we are infuriated, amongst other reasons.

On other notes, it's time to unite, I agree, but to unite being equal, not being unequal. Why can't we catalans have a NT when Danish have one? (because Spain forbids it, but there's no "ethic or moral" reason). Why can't catalan be an official language within the EU like Maltese? (because Spain doesn't allow it). And so on. We want to unite with the rest of nations in Europe, but with the same rights that other nations of our size, not being treated like scraps, like we are treated now. And furthermore, paying the insults coming from Spain. Intolerable.