Re: UEFA Coefficient development for the next seasons

by Hapless_Hans Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:52 pm

It's fine as it is. Mole is just performing a common mechanism.

The PL is shit that means all leagues are shit.
The PL is losing its spot that means all leagues should lose their spots.

Smile

by Grande_Milano Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:55 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:I have to wonder where all the great Easter European teams are.

The CL typically had a solid cast of EE teams that always competed well. Where are:

-Red Star Belgrade.
-Steaua Bucuresti.

I think the current economic conditions and the fall of Yugoslavia means that we won't ever see a strong EE team again. With the Russia being the possible exception in the future.

In 20th century money didnt mean all, you could sea Steaus winning CLs. Now? Not a chance

by Kaladin Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:57 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:It's fine as it is. Mole is just performing a common mechanism.

The PL is shit that means all leagues are shit.
The PL is losing its spot that means all leagues should lose their spots.

+1

by futbol_bill Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:58 pm

Unique wrote:UEFA are praying for the English teams to do well. English football makes ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

Yeah, UEFA really want teams for group play.

by breva Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:04 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:

Arsenal finishing 3rd in the group is more of a detriment to Italy than England, cuz they'll get admitted into Europa, even playing their B squad i feel like they'll the floor with EL teams.

You mean like Tottenham and Liverpool A teams are wiping the floor with EL teams?

by Kaladin Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:00 pm

Spurs and Pool are shite tho, Arsenal can be an unknown variable to EL teams imo, they can defo walk the competition if they wanted imo

by RealGunner Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:04 pm

Meh

Dortmund are comfortably the favourites atm. After the likes of Sevilla, Arsenal, Roma drops to EL then it will be easier to assess with the form etc.

We can win it as much as the other tier 2/3 teams can. Kinda excited for it though. Eventhough it will most certainly kick us out of top 3 race and will force us to fight for 4th with Liverpool etc, it will be worth it I guess.

by Hapless_Hans Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:26 pm

RealGunner wrote:Meh

Dortmund are comfortably the favourites atm. After the likes of Sevilla, Arsenal, Roma drops to EL then it will be easier to assess with the form etc.

We can win it as much as the other tier 2/3 teams can. Kinda excited for it though. Eventhough it will most certainly kick us out of top 3 race and will force us to fight for 4th with Liverpool etc, it will be worth it I guess.

You would still have to reach 3rd place in the CL group first though hmm

by breva Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:45 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:Spurs and Pool are shite tho, .........they can defo walk the competition if they wanted imo

So are Arsenal, shite that is, especially their B team which you believe "would walk the competition" in the EL. Such delusions are unhealthy.

by Kaladin Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:10 am

breva wrote:
El Shaarawy wrote:Spurs and Pool are shite tho, .........they can defo walk the competition if they wanted imo

So are Arsenal, shite that is, especially their B team which you believe "would walk the competition" in the EL. Such delusions are unhealthy.

Fellaaaa

Have you seen some of the players Napoli fielded that made semis last year?

Mesto, Henrique, Gargano, David Lopez, Inler and Britos

Compare that with the likes of Debuchy, Chambers, Gabriel, Arteta, Ramsey/Wilshere, Wele and Campbell and its obvious who looks better on paper

by breva Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:38 am

I have no idea who these Arsenal players are. I don't watch EPL. I watch La Liga, Serie A and Primeira Liga. They certainly aren't household names outside of England. At least three of those guys on Napoli's team are Swiss, Brazilian and Uruguayan internationals. So I would rate them higher.

by izzy Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:43 am

breva wrote:I have no idea who these Arsenal players are.

I literally LMAO at this. rofl

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:46 am

breva wrote:
El Shaarawy wrote:Spurs and Pool are shite tho, .........they can defo walk the competition if they wanted imo

So are Arsenal, shite that is, especially their B team which you believe "would walk the competition" in the EL. Such delusions are unhealthy.

breva wrote:I have no idea who these Arsenal players are. I don't watch EPL.

Sciolism: The practice or an instance of showing opinions on something of which one is ignorant.

by breva Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:46 am

Kind of not seeing the forest from the trees aren't you. I don't watch EPL but I observe that highly rated EPL clubs and their "A" teams have trouble in both the CL and EL. I would certainly reject any claim that an Arsenal "B" team would wipe the floor with the EL teams. Do you disagree?

by Adit Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:18 am

El Shaarawy wrote:Spurs and Pool are shite tho, Arsenal can be an unknown variable to EL teams imo, they can defo walk the competition if they wanted imo

Atrocious statement.

They can't even best Dinamo Zagreb and olympiacos in the group stage even if the wanted to. EL is no walk in the park as CL place is at stake.

by McAgger Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:24 am

EL is much harder to win than people think.

PL teams have been finding that out for the past half decade. United, City, Liverpool, Spurs have all been handed their asses to them in EL and to hear the British press act as if every PL club is heavy favorites every year.

by El Gunner Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:28 am

This guy is clearly hating!
Go home mate.

by Myesyats Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:24 am

El Shaarawy wrote:Spurs and Pool are shite tho, Arsenal can be an unknown variable to EL teams imo, they can defo walk the competition if they wanted imo

felllaaaa

by Kaladin Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:22 am

Adit wrote:
El Shaarawy wrote:Spurs and Pool are shite tho, Arsenal can be an unknown variable to EL teams imo, they can defo walk the competition if they wanted to imo

Atrocious statement.

They can't even best Dinamo Zagreb and olympiacos in the group stage even if the wanted to. EL is no walk in the park as CL place is at stake.

by Adit Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:05 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:
Adit wrote:
El Shaarawy wrote:Spurs and Pool are shite tho, Arsenal can be an unknown variable to EL teams imo, they can defo walk the competition if they wanted to imo

Atrocious statement.

They can't even best Dinamo Zagreb and olympiacos in the group stage even if the wanted to. EL is no walk in the park as CL place is at stake.

As if they dont want to get out of the group by beating Dynamo Zagreb and Olympiacos.

EL is full of Dynamo Zagrebs and Olympicaoses , even if Arsenal wanted to win EL it wont be easy. It will be very tough.

by RealGunner Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:08 pm

Agreed with Adit

by Kaladin Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:11 pm

If Wenger really wanted to beat Olympiacos, he wouldn't have benched Cech. Instead he chose to keep Ospina happy. Turns out he had a shite performance.

As i said, if they wanted to, they could.

by izzy Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:15 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:If Wenger really wanted to beat Olympiacos, he wouldn't have benched Cech. Instead he chose to keep Ospina happy. Turns out he had a shite performance.

As i said, if they wanted to, they could.

It didn't just just come down to Ospina tbf.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:17 pm

Well it did in reality because he was at fault for at least two of the goals.

But really they didn't deserve shit anyway so who cares tbh.

by izzy Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:19 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Well it did in reality because he was at fault for at least two of the goals.

But really they didn't deserve shit anyway so who cares tbh.

2? No, just the one from the corner.

The first goal and the third has nothing to do with him, just a sheer lack of defensive coordination and leadership from any of Arsenal's midfielders to defenders.

by dostoevsky Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:20 pm

Sorry ES, but I can't let a comment like that slide.

Wenger clearly cared about winning the match, what he simply did was put trust in a player who was not the best option. His trust in those in his squad has always been admirable and at the same time an incredible weakness. Wenger backs his players and would have truly expected Ospina to put in a performance every equal to that of Cech. Same reason why he wouldn't bring in new faces to compete with Coquelin or replace Arteta and Flamini on the bench. He backs players, doesn't have anything to do with "wanting" to win, that's just a tad absurd, don't you think?

This isn't about Arsenal's quality, everyone knows they're an excellent side. They've bungled two crucial matches though and shot themselves in the foot. Being an excellent side though isn't enough to drop down and win the EL. Every single year, people point at the Group of Death and say the third placed side will win the EL but how often does that happen? Practically never.

So many things affect your chances in the EL. It's a long knockout stage with few controls over who meets who meaning you can quite easily get a horror draw, you have many quality sides from the top leagues and then a whole treasure trove of sides from Eastern Europe who are absolute hell to play because they have such massive experience in this competition now after a few solid years of repeat qualifications. Experience is massive in competitions like these, which is why I thought it absurd that people said the likes of Swansea would come and do well against Olympiakos or plenty of EL sides. It's an absolute minefield of a competition and whilst Arsenal could well win, they'd have to get through the likes of Dortmund, Napoli and others whilst balancing their league commitments which can very easily become precarious at a moment's notice.

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