UEFA Coefficient development for the next seasons

It goes back and forth between 4 and 5. It's that Europa league that kills Ligue 1 because nobody bothers. In Portugal, since the league is far easier, it's feasible for the teams to commit resources to that competition. So our ranking suffers.

Lille no longer being involved in Europe should help a lot since they have been an absolute disaster for years now regardless of CL or Europa. With PSG, Lyon and Monaco in CL and Marseille, St Etienne and Bordeaux in Europa... should be a good year.

Doesn't really matter anyhow. Unless you're top 3... 4-6 is the same in terms of European spots. Never going to get into top 3 anyhow so it's pretty irrelevant.

Yeah not surprised to see Portugsl ahead of France. Europa league for many frenchs clubs is a burden. So after losing Coaches be like '' Now we can fully focus on the league '' .

breva wrote:La Liga is so far ahead of the other 3 of the top four it really makes one wonder how the EPL is so popular. And, the EPL was so behind La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga last year it doesn't make sense., the popularity that is.

The PL guys are masters of marketing, that's the reason.

rwo power wrote:

breva wrote:La Liga is so far ahead of the other 3 of the top four it really makes one wonder how the EPL is so popular. And, the EPL was so behind La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga last year it doesn't make sense., the popularity that is.

The PL guys are masters of marketing, that's the reason.

The reason is colonialism, the commonwealth and english language.
But sure, they are better at marketing their product too.

free_cat wrote:

rwo power wrote:

breva wrote:La Liga is so far ahead of the other 3 of the top four it really makes one wonder how the EPL is so popular. And, the EPL was so behind La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga last year it doesn't make sense., the popularity that is.

The PL guys are masters of marketing, that's the reason.

The reason is colonialism, the commonwealth and english language.
But sure, they are better at marketing their product too.

it kills me to say it but England no longer own most of the free world. the reason is simple. money. UEFA make so much money from English football.

Unique wrote:

free_cat wrote:

rwo power wrote:
The PL guys are masters of marketing, that's the reason.

The reason is colonialism, the commonwealth and english language.
But sure, they are better at marketing their product too.

it kills me to say it but England no longer own most of the free world.  the reason is simple. money. UEFA make so much money from English football.

There's no need to own the world to be much more culturally influencing than other competing countries like Spain or Germany bro. Same way spain doesn't own south america anymore but Spanish league is much more followed there.
I'd recommend you to take some history and sociology courses.

On the subject, I'm very surprised at how close England, Italy and Germany are. Any of them can surpass the other this next season.

free_cat wrote:

Unique wrote:

free_cat wrote:


The reason is colonialism, the commonwealth and english language.
But sure, they are better at marketing their product too.

it kills me to say it but England no longer own most of the free world.  the reason is simple. money. UEFA make so much money from English football.

There's no need to own the world to be much more culturally influencing than other competing countries like Spain or Germany bro. Same way spain doesn't own south america anymore but Spanish league is much more followed there.
I'd recommend you to take some history and sociology courses.

On the subject, I'm very surprised at how close England, Italy and Germany are. Any of them can surpass the other this next season.

I was joking about England no longer owning the free world. of course we still own the free world. but English football is made of money and uefa want it.

After reading some of the recent posts, I don't think some have observed that the BL has already surpassed the EPL but nos. 2,3 and 4 are very close and positions could easily change for these 3 next year.

The current points for 2,3 and 4 are:

BL 65.463
EPL 63.784
Serie A 60.72

So Italy would be gunning for the EPL, not the BL.

No. 5 Portugal is at 43.915. They won't be challenging the top 4.

So if an Italian team finishes 4th next year and Italy is No. 3 on the coeff list, will the team be able to play in the CL the following season?

The english lge has allways been the most competitive lge in Europe. Bayern are a better team than chelsea. But the next 3 teams in england are better then the next 3 in germany.

@ES Don't think so since it starts counting from the season after that.

Thanks RG, couldn't remember if the same happened with Germany in '11 but bummer :/

You could be right though.

let's suppose Serie A gets the 4th spot in uefa league this season. Then from next season, 4 serie A teams should go into CL.

Unique wrote:The english lge has allways been the most competitive lge in Europe. Bayern are a better team than chelsea. But the next 3 teams in england are better then the next 3 in germany.

I don't get what "most competitive" means. Does it mean that all the teams are mediocre and compete well against each other? In Europe last year, where the teams are compared to the best in Europe the EPL and the BL were about equal and far below both Spain and Italy. I don't think you can say that the teams in the EPL are better than the teams in the BL, the facts don't support that contention.

breva wrote:

Unique wrote:The english lge has allways been the most competitive lge in Europe. Bayern are a better team than chelsea. But the next 3 teams in england are better then the next 3 in germany.

I don't get what "most competitive" means. Does it mean that all the teams are mediocre and compete well against each other? In Europe last year, where the teams are compared to the best in Europe the EPL and the BL were about equal and far below both Spain and Italy. I don't think you can say that the teams in the EPL are better than the teams in the BL, the facts don't support that contention.

what I mean is right now before the start of the season you just know who will win the Spanish. german and Italian titles. cup upsets happen far more in England than the rest of Europe. the top teams in spain Germany and Italy maybe better than Chelsea. but the lge its self is less predictable.

Happy to see serie A make a statement last year and close down the gap on co-efficients. One - two more years of similar exploits and hopefully we'll see the league bring back the forth CL spot.

Well, in all honesty it'll prob go to one of the Milan scrubs so I'm not actually THAT excited for it.

So if Samp is eliminated before getting to the EL, is the Italian coefficient divided by 5 or 6 teams?

That's what I wondered too (also because of West Ham). Should be 6 imo

The coefficient is always calculated through the number of all teams that could play in Europe for the country, that is, 6 for Italy this season. That's why Germany was hurt badly by Mainz going out in the EL quali right away last season.

You can always nicely follow the "who's in / who's out" at Bert Kassies' website:
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2016.html

So much for 'this is the year of Serie A'

Oh well back to business as usual...

It is ridiculous to be playing EL games in the middle of pre-season.

Still, that's no excuse for what was a very poor showing from Samp.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:So much for 'this is the year of Serie A'

Oh well back to business as usual...

Still, points will only be divided by six, while Germany's by 7 and Englands by EIGHT. That's a clear advantage.

Hapless_Hans wrote:Still, points will only be divided by six, while Germany's by 7 and Englands by EIGHT. That's a clear advantage.

It depends - it can be an advantage to have more teams if they all do well. Last season, the worst Italian team gathered 12 points, thus boosting their points haul nicely, while Germany only got 1 point by Mainz or England 2.5 point by Hull City (these points are the raw points gathered, before adding up everything and dividing it by the number of starters).

Let's see... Italy gathered 19.000 points in the end as all 6 clubs did well in 2015. Germany earned 15.857 points by their 7 entrants, but if Mainz would have been left out altogether, this would have been 18.333 points (110 points gathered divided by 6 instead of 111 points gathered divided by 7). Similarly, if you kick out Hull from England's numbers, they would have gotten 15.417 points instead of 13.571.

So one team that goes out early loses its country quite some points, depending on the overall number of clubs.

Source: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2015.html

With West Ham eliminated along with Sampdoria, the situation stays more or less the same between the two leagues.

England have now the disadvantage of having all points the remaining teams collect divided by 8.
That's 0.0178 less coefficient point per point collected than if West Ham hadn't participated at all.

West Ham contributed 3,5 points/8 = 0,4375 coefficient points

That means, if the remaining teams collect more than 25 points from now on (last season English teams collected 95), West Ham's participation will be actually detrimental.

That means for example, if English teams collect 95 just as last season, instead of 13.571 coeff points they only get 11.875 this year.

The UEFA coefficient is an interesting formula. Today, Germany, England and Italy are very close all within 6 points. Spain is more than 20 points above Germany the leader of the next three. Italy, with only 3 CL teams is at a disadvantage at the outset because of the CL bonus (having only 3 teams eligible), but can make it up with more Europa League teams.

These 3 leagues are pretty much alone below Spain and above Portugal which is about 18 points below Italy.

Also interesting are historical points. Italy will achieve a near 4 point advantage over England next year when the 11/12 low calciopoli related numbers are dropped.